# The Reality of the Circular Economy

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Podcast: [The Becoming Sovereign Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-becoming-sovereign-podcast-7280876)
Published: 2026-03-23T13:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thebitcoinbusinesspodcast/episodes/The-Reality-of-the-Circular-Economy-e3gr8ks
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## Resource

In this episode, Brandon sits down with Rev Hodl, a homesteader who left the Los Angeles post-production industry to build true sovereignty in southwest Michigan. They discuss how Rev integrates Bitcoin into his homesteading to align with the permaculture ethic of non-extraction, and how local communities are building resilient networks. Rev breaks down the concept of the "Mesh Citadel"—a decentralized network of local economies cooperating together—and how anyone can start participating in the circular economy today. In this episode, we cover: Homesteading & Sovereignty: Why Rev traded his LA apartment for a 20-acre farm to secure his own food, water, and power production. The Mesh Citadel: How local Bitcoin meetups are forming interconnected, decentralized economies to bypass the fiat system. Earning Non-KYC Bitcoin: Why bringing goods—like maple syrup or coffee—to your local meetup is the best way to stack non-KYC SATs. Nostr Commerce: How the Nostr protocol acts as a digital Bitcoin meetup, allowing producers to sell everything from cannabis seeds to beef tallow directly for Bitcoin. The Unit of Account Dilemma: The ongoing challenge of pricing physical goods in Bitcoin while operating in a dollar-denominated world. Finding Your Passion: Why getting a "Bitcoin job" isn't the answer if you hate the work, and how to monetize your true hobbies for SATs instead. Connect with Rev Hodl: Nostr: Rev Ho (Search "Rev Ho" to find him) Podcast: Local Bitcoiners (Co-hosted with Reid) Connect with Brandon & Sovreign: Website: sovreign.io LinkedIn: Brandon Karpeles Nostr: @plebiAnon X: @sovreignX

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