# BONUS: Melber & Fukuyama on billionaires, U.S. decline & if public trust is ‘cooked’

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Podcast: [The Beat with Ari Melber](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-beat-with-ari-melber-743451)
Published: 2026-04-27T20:50:40+00:00
Episode link: https://www.ms.now/
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## Resource

BONUS: Acclaimed author and professor Francis Fukuyama discusses his seminal works “Trust” and “The End of History” and how they apply today, and to an era of mounting distrust and conspiracy theories in the new Trump era, in this extended conversation with MS NOW's Ari Melber. Fukuyama also analyzes Elon Musk’s “oligarch” politics, and shares his passions beyond academia - woodworking and drone building.

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