# Secrets and Shadows: The Cost of Truth in the Intelligence Community

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Podcast: [The Bad Decisions Podcast with Scott Nathan](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-bad-decisions-podcast-with-scott-nathan-6938449)
Published: 2026-01-21T10:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Scott Nathan engages in a candid conversation with John Kiriakou, a former CIA officer and whistleblower. John shares his extraordinary journey from being recruited into the CIA to becoming a key figure in the agency's counterterrorism operations post-9/11. He recounts his experiences in Pakistan, including the capture of Abu Zubaydah, and the moral dilemmas he faced when confronted with the agency's use of torture. As a whistleblower, John reflects on the consequences of exposing the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques and the challenges he faced during his imprisonment. This episode dives deep into the complexities of intelligence work, the ethical considerations of national security, and the evolving landscape of terrorism. Tune in for a compelling discussion that challenges perceptions of loyalty, truth, and the cost of standing up for what is right. John Kiriakou: Website #JohnKiriakou #BadDecisionsPodcast #CIA #Whistleblower #Counterterrorism Scott Nathan linktr.ee/scottnathan Graphic Designer: Alignedonline.com Music Composer: J.K. Harrison This is another Hurrdat Media Production. Hurrdat Media is a podcast network and digital media production company based in Omaha, NE. Find more podcasts on the Hurrdat Media Network by going to HurrdatMedia.com or the Hurrdat Media YouTube channel! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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