# 323 Best Backpacking Gear Is NOT In Stores... w/ Ben McMillen

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Podcast: [The Backpacking Podcast presented by Outdoor Vitals](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-backpacking-podcast-presented-by-outdoor-vitals-1207657)
Published: 2026-06-12T19:45:48+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/backpackingpodcast/episodes/323-Best-Backpacking-Gear-Is-NOT-In-Stores----w-Ben-McMillen-e3knbmu
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## Resource

Founder's Sale by Outdoor Vitals (Early-Bird List): https://bit.ly/4v2qWkY Jeremiah and John sit down with Ben McMillen, owner of Hilltop Packs, to talk about the world of cottage gear, building a backpacking business, and what sets small outdoor brands apart from the big manufacturers. Ben shares the story behind Hilltop Packs, the importance of customer connection, company culture, American-made gear, tariffs, product innovation, and the surprising item that became one of Hilltop's biggest sellers. Whether you're a gear nerd, small business supporter, or backpacker looking for insight into the outdoor industry, this episode offers a behind-the-scenes look at one of the most recognizable cottage brands in backpacking. #Backpacking #HilltopPacks #CottageGear #BackpackingPodcast #HikingGear #ThruHiking #OutdoorIndustry

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