# 21. At the Lake with Drew Stevenson: Church Growth, Modesty & Riffing on Grace

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Podcast: [The Average Pastor Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-average-pastor-podcast-7074360)
Published: 2025-07-21T11:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 4416

## Resource

Jeff, Mark and Jake are joined by Drew Stevenson (Lead Pastor of Redemption Church in Minneapolis, MN) on a special lake-side episode of the podcast. Listen in as they discuss church growth as a measure of success, modesty in clothing and what it looks like to be transformed by grace.

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