# Interview #81 Vrajesh Bhavsar, CEO of Operant AI

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Podcast: [The Artificial Intelligence Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-artificial-intelligence-podcast-3635848)
Published: 2026-01-01T18:14:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/tonyphoang/episodes/Interview-81-Vrajesh-Bhavsar--CEO-of-Operant-AI-e3cmt0h
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## Resource

Join Vrajesh Bhavsar, CEO of Operant AI, as he reveals the emerging threat landscape facing production AI systems, from sophisticated prompt injection attacks to zero-click exploits that can exfiltrate sensitive data without any user interaction. Bhavsar explains how traditional security tools like code scanning, network firewalls, and cloud security posture management become largely ineffective against AI agents operating with non-deterministic behavior and authorized access to critical systems, requiring runtime security solutions that function as AI-layer firewalls. He discusses the Shadow Escape attack class discovered by Operant targeting Model Context Protocol (MCP) servers, where the rapid proliferation of 20,000 mostly open-source MCP servers creates dangerous shared memory spaces across disparate API endpoints, enabling data poisoning and exfiltration at scale while traditional security teams remain blind to these agent-to-agent interactions happening within the "cloud within the cloud."

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