# Ep 243: Casey Ellis: Trust, risk and why good systems always start with people.

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Podcast: [The Art of Teaching](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-art-of-teaching-3572278)
Published: 2026-01-13T07:30:50+00:00
Episode link: https://theartofteaching.podbean.com/e/ep-243-casey-ellis-trust-risk-and-why-good-systems-always-start-with-people/
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## Resource

Next is a conversation I recently had with Casey Ellis, a global leader in cybersecurity and the founder of Bugcrowd.Casey has spent his career thinking deeply about risk, trust and what happens when you invite smart, curious people into complex systems. Through Bugcrowd, he helped pioneer crowdsourced security, connecting organisations with ethical hackers from around the world to find problems before they become crises.In this conversation, we explore leadership under uncertainty, the ethics of technology, and what education, schools, and systems can learn from the way cybersecurity approaches prevention, responsibility, and human behaviour. It’s a thoughtful discussion about vigilance without paranoia, openness without naivety, and why good systems always start with people.I think you’ll find this one stretches your thinking well beyond cybersecurity and straight into the heart of leadership and learning.

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