# How Football Took Over America — and Could Collapse

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Podcast: [The Art of Manliness](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-art-of-manliness-511160)
Published: 2026-01-20T11:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

American football is so big — so braided into our weekends, our language, and our culture — that it can be hard to see it clearly as a whole. In his new book, Football , Chuck Klosterman helps us see the game from unexpected angles, and argues that football isn’t just a sport, it’s a kind of national operating system. Chuck explains how it became the dominant televised spectacle in America, despite having elements that should count against it. We then explore football as a simulation — of war, of reality, and even of itself — and how its simulation through video games has actually fed back into the sport itself. We also talk about who Chuck thinks is the GOAT (hint: it's not Tom Brady), and the difference between achievement and greatness. At the end of our conversation, Chuck lays out a compelling argument for why football may be headed for a steep and surprising fall. Resources Related to the Podcast AoM Podcast #248: Why Football Matters AoM Podcast #1,061: Are You Not Entertained? The Myths and Truths About Roman Gladiators AoM Podcast #1,044: What Sports Betting Is Really Doing to Players, Games, and Fans Thanks to This Week's Podcast Sponsor Incogni. Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code MANLINESS at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/manliness See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

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