# Season 6, Episode 10: Jenny McGrath and Sandra Van Opstal of Chasing Justice talk about Chicago and Resilience

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Podcast: [The Arise Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-arise-podcast-1194909)
Published: 2025-10-23T18:31:54+00:00
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I think we talk about what's happening in one sense, it seems like social media and other ways like Zoom, we're on a screen with Zoom and we're all in three different locations right now. We think of ourselves as really connected. But then when tragedy strikes or trauma or an invasion, for instance, strikes, we're connected, but it seems like we're also disconnected from one another and the practical needs and storytelling on the ground, and what does resilience look like for one person versus another? Or what does survival versus thriving look like for one person versus another? And how do we kind of join together and form a collective bond in that? Sandra Van Opstal joins us from Chicago and Chasing Justice, to discuss the practicality of being on the ground in the midst of an invasion

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