# 10-06: How to Make a Meadowlark with Johanna Beam

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Podcast: [The American Birding Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-american-birding-podcast-221392)
Published: 2026-02-12T10:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In 2023, ABA Area birders welcomed Chihuahuan Meadowlark to the official ABA Checklist, and subsequently to many life lists. Previously considered a distinct subspecies of Eastern Meadowlark, the split was the result of work done by Dr. Johanna Beam while she was an undergraduate researcher. Informed by her background as a birder, Johanna used museum specimens, audio recordings, and genetic tools to inform the eventual split. She joins host Nate Swick to talk about how it's done, and what other potential new species might be out there. Also, the ABA announced our 2026 Community Weekend schedule . We hope to see you out there! Subscribe to the podcast at Apple Podcasts , Spotify , or wherever you get your podcasts and please leave a rating or a review if you are so inclined! We appreciate it!

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