# What Has Crypto Actually Built? with John Nahas from Ava labs

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Podcast: [The AllinCrypto Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-allincrypto-podcast-6054281)
Published: 2026-07-21T17:30:00+00:00
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Crypto has spent years launching tokens, chasing narratives and promising disruption. Now the industry is entering its “show me” phase. In this episode of the AllInCrypto Podcast, we sit down with John Nahas, Chief Business Officer at Ava Labs, to discuss Avalanche, institutional adoption, tokenization and what crypto must do to become a sustainable industry. John explains why blockchains should help businesses either generate revenue or reduce costs—and why launching a token to fund operations does not automatically make a project a real business. We also explore Avalanche’s network of purpose-built Layer 1 blockchains, its approach to interoperability and real-world initiatives involving Toyota, FIFA, gaming, payments, vehicle titles and tokenized assets. John also shares his thoughts on crypto’s missing killer application, the convergence of DeFi and traditional finance, AI agents moving value autonomously and the future utility of the AVAX token. A direct conversation about moving beyond speculation and building products that deliver measurable value.

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