# Unpacking Russian Military AI with Kateryna Bondar

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Podcast: [The AI Policy Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-ai-policy-podcast-6758160)
Published: 2026-04-14T20:31:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode, we are joined by Wadhwani AI Center fellow Kateryna Bondar to discuss her recent reports on Russia's military AI, "How Russia Is Building a Sovereign Drone Ecosystem for AI-Driven Autonomy" and "How Russia Is Reshaping Command and Control for AI-Enabled Warfare." We cover Kateryna's background (1:07) before doing a deep dive into the role technological innovation has played in the conflict in Ukraine (7:49). Kateryna then explains why AI capabilities in warfare "cannot be built, can only be grown" (22:24) and unpacks the report's claim that Russia has likely fielded a fully autonomous unmanned system in combat (53:02). Read Kateryna's report on Russia's AI-enabled C2 architecture here. Read her report on Russia's sovereign drone ecosystem here.

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