# Why Ensemble Architectures Win Against Real-Time Voice Risk - with Mike Pappas of Modulate

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Podcast: [The AI in Business Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-ai-in-business-podcast-168928)
Published: 2026-03-20T06:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

The contact center is shifting from a service channel to a primary point of fraud, where text‑based systems fail to catch the signals that surface only in live voice. In this episode, Mike Pappas, CEO & Co‑Founder at Modulate, joins Emerj's Nick Gertsch to examine how audio‑native, multi‑model analysis exposes social engineering and deepfake‑driven threats that traditional tools routinely miss. The discussion highlights how leaders can strengthen real‑time detection, limit downstream financial and regulatory impact, and evaluate voice‑AI systems based on accuracy, speed, and adaptability to evolving fraud tactics. This episode is sponsored by Modulate . Learn how brands work with Emerj and other Emerj Media options atgo.emerj.com/partner . Want to share your AI adoption story with executive peers? Click go.emerj.com/expert for more information and to be a potential future guest on the 'AI in Business' podcast!

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