# How to Improve Your Co-Founder Relationships, With Dr. Matthew Jones

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Podcast: [The Agency Profit Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-agency-profit-podcast-1151616)
Published: 2025-11-12T02:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

About this Episode In this Agency Profit Podcast episode, Marcel sits down with Dr. Matthew Jones, clinical psychologist, founder of Co-Founder Clarity, and author of The Co-Founder Effect, to unpack why co-founder relationships are uniquely complex and how to manage them with both an operational and interpersonal lens. They explore the biggest red flag—recurring disagreements that signal unspoken emotional dynamics—the difference between operational trust and personal trust, and practical structures like “containment,” written feedback protocols, and reflective dialogue to keep conflict from contaminating execution. Matt shares his Co-Founder Satisfaction Index and three-phase Conflict Navigation System, plus a cadence of co-founder syncs and “dates” to maintain alignment. They also cover how to handle amicable separations, including negotiation sequencing and the often-overlooked grief and emotional debt that surface when partnerships change, so agency leaders can protect both the business and the relationship.

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