# Episode 82 |  Professional Sustainability for Therapists: Evidence-Informed Strategies for Workload, Productivity, and Well-Being with Joe Sanok, LPC

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Podcast: [The Affirming Minds Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-affirming-minds-podcast-7020030)
Published: 2026-07-07T07:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 3232

## Resource

Featured Book: Using ACT and CFT for Burnout Recovery: The Beyond Burnout Blueprint by Shaina Siber Kindle: https://a.co/d/0iAlSrhC Paperback: https://www.routledge.com/Using-ACT-and-CFT-for-Burnout-Recovery-The-Beyond-Burnout-Blueprint/Siber/p/book/9781041074304 Course Information: https://canva.link/rw9f4vjqv6om4k0 --- Episode Summary: Demand for mental health care continues to grow while therapists face increasing rates of burnout, workforce shortages, administrative burden, and rapid technological change. In this episode, Shaina sits down with therapist, consultant, and bestselling author Joe Sanok to explore how organizational psychology and intentional work design can help clinicians build more sustainable, fulfilling careers. Together, they discuss the science of productivity, decision fatigue, autonomy, and workplace design, challenging the idea that burnout is simply an individual problem to solve with better self-care. Whether you work in community mental health, hospitals, integrated care, leadership, or private practice, this conversation offers practical, evidence-informed strategies for supporting both clinician well-being and high-quality client care. --- About Our Guest: Joe Sanok is the author of Thursday is the New Friday: How to work fewer hours, make more money, and spend time doing what you want. It examines how the four-day workweek boosts creativity and productivity.  Joe has been featured in Harvard Business Review, Forbes, NASDAQ, and over 300 business podcast interviews. He is the host of the popular The Practice of the Practice Podcast, which is recognized as one of the Top 50 Podcasts worldwide with 1200+ episodes and over 100,000 downloads each month. Fun fact: Joe hates mint chocolate chip ice cream and most forms of mint. --- Re…

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