# What we need from the beginning: Continuing the conversation on spiritual trauma

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Podcast: [The Adoption Files](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-adoption-files-5610264)
Published: 2026-06-26T00:11:04+00:00
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## Resource

Please join Dani Joy and I as we discuss the section What we need from the beginning, from the book Holy Hurt by Hilary L McBride, PhD. Dani is a mother of loss to adoption, as well as a homesteader, advocate and writer. Dani can be found at: https://medium.com/@danijoy https://hillarylmcbride.com/holy-hurt-book/ https://www.healthcentral.com/mental-health/get-help-mental-health The opinions of the host and their guest are just that, their opinions. The host is not a lawyer, a therapist or an adoption professional Thank you for listening!

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