# The New Economics of AI | Martin Casado & Steven Sinofsky

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Podcast: [The a16z Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-a16z-show-436525)
Published: 2026-08-25T10:00:00+00:00
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a16z General Partners Martin Casado and Erik Torenberg are joined by Board Partner Steven Sinofsky to explore what recent breakthroughs in AI and mathematics tell us about where the technology is headed, and whether some of the basic assumptions that have governed computing for decades are starting to break. Martin and Steven debate whether AI's progress in mathematics represents a genuine leap in reasoning or simply a new tool for solving problems at a higher level of abstraction. From the four-color theorem and early computers to graphing calculators and today's models, they trace how new technologies have repeatedly changed which problems humans need to solve themselves, and ask what makes this moment different. The conversation then turns to one of the biggest shifts in AI: problems that were once constrained by engineering talent can increasingly be attacked with capital and compute. They discuss what that means for startups versus incumbents, venture capital, the coming wave of AI applications, and why pouring billions into increasingly capable models may force us to rethink what these systems can ultimately accomplish.

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