# Martin Casado on Where the Value Is Going in AI

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Podcast: [The a16z Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-a16z-show-436525)
Published: 2026-08-22T10:00:00+00:00
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Martin Casado joins MTS hosts Theo Jaffee and Sophia Dew to unpack where value is actually accruing in AI, why this technology cycle looks fundamentally different from previous waves, and whether the frontier labs will ultimately capture most of the market. Martin explains why AI has turned venture into a scale-up capital game, where small teams can productively deploy extraordinary amounts of money, and why the relationship between capital, innovation, and growth has never been tighter. He lays out the case both for and against the frontier labs dominating AI, the role of open-source and specialist models, and why applications are increasingly capturing more value. The conversation also explores model routing, AI economics, founder-market fit, and why Martin believes this may be the biggest unlock of wealth he's seen since the 1990s.

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