# Muay Thai, Toxic Masculinity, and Carrying Mace - Stephen Jones of Shipsco Fightwear

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Podcast: [The A Better Way 2A Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-a-better-way-2a-podcast-7092718)
Published: 2026-04-20T05:01:07+00:00
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Duration seconds: 3796

## Resource

In this episode, Jordan talks with Stephen Jones of Ships Co. about martial arts, creativity, masculinity, and what it means to build something with actual character in a space that often rewards posturing. They get into the culture around jiu-jitsu and Muay Thai, why so many people feel alienated by the politics and ego that can come with combat sports, and how Stephen carved out a different lane by making gear that feels playful, personal, and rooted in his actual values. The conversation also moves through self-defense, escalation of force, community, the strange gifts and downsides of social media, and the way martial arts can teach humility, patience, and discipline far beyond the gym. It’s a thoughtful and easygoing conversation about staying grounded, making good work, and refusing to become the kind of person the culture expects you to be. If you want to support the show, head to our Patreon for exclusive merch, extra content, and to help us build a more inclusive gun community. Edited by Matthew Boerger

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