# 1KHO 780: When Speaking Up is Costly | Elise Heerde, After the Exit

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Podcast: [The 1000 Hours Outside Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-1000-hours-outside-podcast-590048)
Published: 2026-04-26T08:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 3425

## Resource

In this deeply personal episode of The 1000 Hours Outside Podcast, Ginny Yurich talks with Elise Heerde, author of After the Exit, about what happens when families raise concerns in places that are supposed to protect children and are punished instead of heard. Together they explore high-control communities, the weaponization of belonging, and the lasting impact these experiences can have on both kids and families. At its core, this conversation is about child safety and well-being. Elise helps explain why child safety depends on adults being allowed to ask hard questions, trust their instincts, and speak up without fear. Find Elise’s work, coaching, and resources at the Religious Trauma Collective and get a copy of After the Exit . Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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