# How Will Australians Retire in 2040? Insights from the ASFA Conference

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Published: 2025-11-17T23:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://thatsuper.show/12
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#12. Neil and Sarah have just wrapped up at the ASFA conference, and they reconnect with industry leaders and discuss the latest trends shaping super, from digital innovation and regulatory challenges to the future of retirement. This episode features expert insights from guests like Jane Couchman from Aware Super, Zein el Hassan from Mills Oakley, and Shaun Bransdon from TAL Australia, covering everything from the rapid rise of AI in compliance to the changing expectations of retirement for future generations. Highlights 00:34 Exciting exhibitors at ASFA Conference 03:01 Zen el Hassan, Partner at Mills Oakley, on AI in advice and super 06:03 Sarah's top picks of ASFA Conference sessions 10:00 Sarah's big idea: Separating accumulation funds from retirement funds 12:41 Retirement Funds: Accumulation vs. Drawdown 16:08 Shaun Bransdon, GM of Retirement and Wealth at TAL Australia, on retirement in 2040 16:40 "Future of Retirement in Australia" 18:14 Australia's aging population challenges 23:02 Jane Couchman, Chief Risk Officer and Group Executive, Sustainability at Aware Super, on balancing risk and compliance with innovation 26:12 Future of retirement the super system in 2050 28:08 Reflections on ASFA Con 2025 and looking forward to 2026 NEW! You can now find That Super Show on YouTube Guests Zein El Hassan, Partner at Mills Oakley, on LinkedIn Shaun Bransdon, Retirement, Wealth and Superannuation Leader at TAL Life on LinkedIn Jane Couchman, Chief Risk Officer at Aware Super That Super Show That Super Show is the most downloaded podcast for Australian superannuation professionals. Sarah and Neil cover the issues, debates and decisions shaping the industry - without the spin. Subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts and don't forget to leave us a rating and…

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