# #745: The AI Approval Layer Is Fake with Zach Herbert

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Podcast: [TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/tftc-a-bitcoin-podcast-226249)
Published: 2026-05-13T14:00:29+00:00
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## Resource

Marty sits down with Zach Herbert to discuss how Foundation Devices is building a microkernel operating system to bring Bitcoin-grade security principles to the AI era, why current AI permission layers are fake, and the urgent need to reinvent personal computing before autonomous agents overrun legacy operating systems. Zach on X: https://x.com/zherbert Foundation Devices: https://foundation.xyz/ GitHub: https://github.com/foundation-devices Presentation: https://x.com/OPNEXT2026/status/2052465451804836101 STACK SATS hat: https://tftcmerch.io/ Our newsletter: https://www.tftc.io/bitcoin-brief/ TFTC Elite (Ad-free & Discord): https://www.tftc.io/#/portal/signup/ Discord: https://discord.gg/yHGkvYxdqT Opportunity Cost Extension: https://www.opportunitycost.app/ Shoutout to our sponsors: Bitkey https://bitkey.world/ Aven https://www.aven.com/bitcoin CrowdHealth https://www.joincrowdhealth.com/tftc Unchained https://unchained.com/tftc/ Salt of the Earth: https://drinksote.com/tftc Join the TFTC Movement: Main YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TFTC21/videos Clips YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUQcW3jxfQfEUS8kqR5pJtQ Website https://tftc.io/ Newsletter tftc.io/bitcoin-brief/ Twitter https://twitter.com/tftc21 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/tftc.io/ Nostr https://primal.net/tftc Follow Marty Bent: Twitter https://twitter.com/martybent Nostr https://primal.net/martybent Newsletter https://tftc.io/martys-bent/ Podcast https://www.tftc.io/tag/podcasts/

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