# How to get past the "messy middle" of a big change | Mary Martin

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Podcast: [TED Talks Daily](https://stenobird.com/podcast/ted-talks-daily-980370)
Published: 2026-07-24T15:00:00+00:00
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Did progress on your next big project stall out? Transformation expert Mary Martin refers to this moment as the "messy middle" — the frustrating gap between starting and finishing a goal, when you might lose confidence or give up altogether. Offering three ways to find glimmers of progress when the going gets tough, she explores what to do when you feel stuck. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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