# The trap of win-lose thinking (and how to escape it) | John Mackey

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Podcast: [TED Business](https://stenobird.com/podcast/ted-business-388139)
Published: 2026-03-16T04:00:00+00:00
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What do you get when you combine a major flood and near-bankruptcy? For Whole Foods cofounder John Mackey, the answer reshaped his business into a household name. He takes us back to the night his first store was destroyed, showing how shifting from a win-lose mindset to a "win-win-win" worldview helped him achieve success — and why it can work for you, too. After, Modupe teases what she would add to improve John's "win-win-win" perspective. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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