# Sand in Trump's Gears: Lessons from America

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Podcast: [Technology Pill](https://stenobird.com/podcast/technology-pill-560921)
Published: 2026-02-13T12:01:00+00:00
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## Resource

This week we're talking to Ben Wizner from the American Civil Liberties Union about what the ACLU have been doing in the first year of Trump's second term, what the difference is between this time and last time, and how an earth they can keep up. Links ACLU report: https://www.aclu.org/campaigns-initiatives/aclu-vs-trump Kyllo case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyllo_v._United_States Underground Empire book: https://henryfarrell.net/underground-empire-2/ Swift work between PI and ACLU: https://privacyinternational.org/blog/1355/pi-and-aclu-show-swift-auditor-has-extensive-ties-us-government Yale lectures on National Security law: https://epe.yale.edu/videos/above-law-or-beneath-it-how-national-security-law-subverts-accountability-and-weakens-0 Asylum for White South Africans: h ttps://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/30/us/politics/trump-refugee-admissions-white-south-africans.html FISA reauth: https://theintercept.com/2026/01/29/nsa-702-fisa-surveillance/

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