# Telecom Insider Explains What Your Carrier Actually Sees (Cape Interview)

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Podcast: [Techlore Talks](https://stenobird.com/podcast/techlore-talks-5778657)
Published: 2026-03-29T01:58:42+00:00
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## Resource

Most people think turning off location services protects them from being tracked. It doesn't. In this interview, David Dunn from privacy-focused cellular provider Cape breaks down what carriers actually collect, how threats like IMSI catchers and SIM swaps work, and how Cape is building a mobile network specifically designed to minimize that exposure. 🔗 SOURCES & LINKS • Cape: https://www.cape.co • Cape + Proton collab: https://www.cape.co/cape-and-proton ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 00:00:00 INTRO 00:01:01 WHAT CELLULAR CARRIERS SEE 00:02:50 THE CONCERNS 00:04:08 ABUSE OF DATA 00:05:28 LTT SIM SWAP ATTACK 00:06:33 PHONE CALL BEHIND-THE-SCENES 00:12:24 CELL TOWER TRIANGULATION & GEOFENCING 00:15:32 LOCATION SERVICES 00:16:25 CALL DATA & SMS RECORDS 00:19:24 SMS VS. EMAIL SECURITY 00:20:23 SIM SWAPPING + IMSI CATCHERS 00:24:09 CELL TOWER TRIANGULATION + GEOFENCING SOLUTIONS 00:26:38 CALL DATA RECORD + SMS SOLUTIONS 00:28:48 WI-FI CALLING 00:30:54 SS7 SIGNALING ATTACK PROTECTION 00:32:25 4G VS. 5G PRIVACY 00:36:34 USER AGENTS + CUSTOM ROMS 00:42:15 DEVICE PROTECTION 00:46:06 CAPE'S APPROACH 00:55:01 MOBILE CORE 00:59:18 CDR DELETION 01:00:06 IMSI ROTATION 01:00:52 OTHER USER CONFIGURABLE OPTIONS 01:04:05 PHONE NUMBER REPUTATION 01:05:29 ISSUES WITH PRIVACY TOOLS 01:08:22 OBSCURA 01:10:48 REGISTRATION 01:13:04 TRUST & VERIFICATION 01:15:37 COMPATIBILITY 01:17:33 AVAILABILITY 01:17:54 ROAMING 01:18:36 LAW ENFORCEMENT REQUESTS 01:21:15 PALANTIR 01:23:25 PROTON PARTNERSHIP 01:25:05 WHO IS CAPE FOR? 01:26:43 TELL US SOMETHING SHOCKING 01:29:28 OUTRO 🎥 VIDEO Watch on YouTube 🧡 SUPPORT TECHLORE Keep Techlore Talks independent & growing: ★ Support this podcast ★

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