# The Problem Nobody Wants to Talk About (John Ozbay Interview)

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Podcast: [Techlore on Odysee](https://stenobird.com/podcast/techlore-on-odysee-5780318)
Published: 2026-06-20T16:00:30+00:00
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## Resource

End-to-end encrypted file sharing may sound simple, but for Cryptee, it took five years to ship. In this interview, Henry sits down with John Ozbay, founder and CEO of Cryptee, to talk through why: preventing CSAM, why client-side scanning doesn't work, how Cryptee's solution was designed to raise the barrier to mass spread without compromising encryption, and the broader philosophical question of where developer liability ends and moral responsibility begins. Please engage in the comments with extra care; this is a sensitive topic, and some viewers may have personal experience with the issues discussed. 🔗 SOURCES & LINKS • Cryptee: https://crypt.ee • Stop Chat Control: https://stopchatcontrol.eu • Open Web Advocacy: https://open-web-advocacy.org • EDRI: https://edri.org 🔎 RELATED VIDEOS https://youtu.be/5iKvQk7drd4 https://youtu.be/xE-YXAnOTeQ 🧡 SUPPORT TECHLORE • Become a Techlorian: https://techlore.tech/support/#/portal/signup • All Support Methods: https://techlore.tech/support/ 🔐 MORE FROM TECHLORE • Homepage & Newsletter: https://techlore.tech/ • Our Course, Go Incognito: https://techlore.tech/go-incognito-course/ • Our Recommended Tools: https://tools.techlore.tech/ • Take Our SPA Quiz: https://quiz.techlore.tech/ • Learn more on our SPA Wiki: https://wiki.techlore.tech/ • VPN Finder: https://vpn.techlore.tech/ ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 00:00:00 INTRO 00:04:08 E2EE SHARING HESITATIONS 00:14:09 HOW IS BIG TECH HANDLING THIS? 00:16:24 LOCAL SCANNING 00:19:27 HOW ARE CHAT APPS HANDLING THIS? 00:21:24 E2EE BACKUPS 00:22:40 HOW MUCH IS THIS CONSIDERED? 00:25:38 CRYPTEE'S SOLUTION 00:42:09 THREAT MODELING 00:48:18 MEGA'S APPROACH 00:53:16 LIABILITY VS. RESPONSIBILITY 01:01:40 HOW TO ENGAGE PRODUCTIVELY 01:09:48 CHAT CONTROL & ULTERIOR MOTIVES 01:2…

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