# EP65: Rethinking Goals.  The Must Be a Better Way with Radhika Dutt

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Podcast: [Tech World Human Skills](https://stenobird.com/podcast/tech-world-human-skills-6393428)
Published: 2025-10-01T04:30:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.elevatedyou.live/podcasts/tech-world-human-skills/episodes/2149084896
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## Resource

In this episode of the Tech World Human Skills podcast, Ben Pearce speaks with Radhika Dutt, a product leader and author of 'Radical Product Thinking.' They discuss the limitations of traditional goal setting and the negative impact of performance metrics on collaboration and motivation. Radhika introduces a new approach.   Show Links Ben Pearce LinkedIn -   https://www.linkedin.com/in/benpthoughts/   Tech World Human Skills Home -   https://www.techworldhumanskills.com   Radhika Linked In - https://www.linkedin.com/in/radhika-dutt/ OHL Toolkit - https://www.radicalproduct.com/toolkit/#OHLToolkit   Takeaways Goals create a burden and hinder curiosity. Traditional goal setting is outdated and ineffective. Puzzle setting and solving can drive better results. Performance metrics can lead to 'performance theater.' A clear vision is essential for effective goal setting. OHLs (Objectives, Hypotheses, Learnings) provide a framework for problem-solving. Collaboration is eroded by competitive goal setting. Feedback should focus on learning and adaptation. Real-world examples demonstrate the effectiveness of puzzle solving. Accountability should be based on problem-solving, not just metrics.   Keywords goals, productivity, radical product thinking, performance management, puzzle solving, business results, vision, OKRs, objectives, hypotheses, learnings

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