# Apple vs OpenAI, Paramount Threatens to Leave CA, Mark Gurman Joins | Alexis Ohanian, Morgan Housel, Nico Christie & Michael Jarman

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Podcast: [TBPN](https://stenobird.com/podcast/tbpn-7037852)
Published: 2026-07-13T21:02:48+00:00
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(00:39) - Apple vs OpenAI (25:24) - Paramount Threatens to Leave CA (42:48) - 𝕏 Timeline Reactions (45:39) - Alexis Ohanian, co-founder of Reddit and venture capitalist, discusses the enduring value of live events in the age of AI, emphasizing that human experiences like sports and theater remain irreplaceable. He highlights his investments in women's sports, such as Angel City FC, and the track and field league Athlos, aiming to modernize and elevate these domains. Ohanian also touches on the growth of sports betting, expressing concerns about its societal impact and the need for thoughtful regulation. (01:10:19) - Morgan Housel is a partner at The Collaborative Fund and the New York Times bestselling author of "The Psychology of Money," with his works translated into over 60 languages and selling over 12 million copies. In the conversation, Housel discusses the psychology behind the rise in sports betting, noting that when individuals perceive limited options in life, they become more risk-seeking, leading to increased gambling activities. He also highlights the impact of technological advancements, such as the accessibility of day trading platforms, which have made gambling more prevalent across generations. (01:47:34) - Mark Gurman, a renowned technology journalist specializing in Apple Inc., discusses the recent lawsuit Apple filed against OpenAI, alleging the theft of trade secrets and confidential information. He highlights that OpenAI has recruited over 400 former Apple employees, including key figures like Tang Tan, OpenAI's Chief Hardware Officer, who is accused of soliciting proprietary information during interviews and coaching departing Apple employees on evading security protocols. Gurman emphasizes the significant impact this legal battle could have on b…

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