# The astronaut-turned-politician Trump wanted punished 'by death'

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Podcast: [Talking Politics](https://stenobird.com/podcast/talking-politics-6747759)
Published: 2026-02-18T17:35:00+00:00
Episode link: https://talking-politics.captivate.fm
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Meet Senator Mark Kelly: distinguished Navy Pilot, NASA astronaut and Democratic Senator for Arizona, but when Kelly urged service members to refuse illegal orders, Donald Trump said he should be punished “by death”. Trump later clarified, "I'm not threatening death, but I think they're in serious trouble." Now Kelly's contemplating a run for the Presidency himself. Tom sits down with the Senator to discuss the death threats and lawsuits that have followed, why he believes you need to "stand up to bullies" and his advice to the UK: "You don't want somebody like him in charge of the UK." Is the US a reliable ally? If he was still serving, would he obey orders to invade Greenland? And what lessons can the UK learn from the MAGA movement?

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