# Ivanishvili: A Spin Dictator? How to Challenge His Power | Guest: Khatia Dekanoidze | Ep. 52

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Published: 2026-06-04T18:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/giorgi-rukhadze/episodes/Ivanishvili-A-Spin-Dictator--How-to-Challenge-His-Power--Guest-Khatia-Dekanoidze--Ep--52-e3kb2il
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