# How Georgia Reached Crisis Point | Davit Usupashvili on Ivanishvili and the Road Ahead EP55

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Published: 2026-06-24T16:17:45+00:00
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Support Talk Georgia by subscribing on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/cw/TalkGeorgia or donating at https://buymeacoffee.com/talkgeorgia PLEASE 🔔 SUBSCRIBE ❤️ LIKE 💬 COMMENT 📣 SHARE Guest: Davit Usupashvili — Lawyer, Politician, Former Chair of Parliament of Georgia | Former Leader of the Republican Party 01:37 Introducing the guest 04:00 Commenting on recent developments, including the Georgian Young Lawyers’ Association’s victory at the European Court of Human Rights, the harsh prison sentences handed to October 4 rally organisers and participants, and the growing use of Georgia’s judiciary to suppress political competition. 22:34 Revisiting the years 2012–2016, when he served as Chair of Parliament: when did the first warning signs emerge that Bidzina Ivanishvili sought not merely to govern the state, but to become the state? 44:13 Using the metaphor of Georgia as a critically ill patient, we discuss his diagnosis of the country’s condition and the treatment needed for recovery. and If Ivanishvili is gone tomorrow would that solve the problem? 53:24 Finally, looking ahead: what warning signs should Georgians watch for, and what are the best- and worst-case scenarios for the years to come?

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