# Special Edition: Presidential Tiers

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Podcast: [Stubborn Things](https://stenobird.com/podcast/stubborn-things-7595522)
Published: 2026-04-07T11:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

This week, our hosts take a break from talking about the drama of 21st century American politics and turn back the clock. In this very special edition of Stubborn Things, Jay and Sean start the Very Official Stubborn Things Presidential Tiers List. They start, of course, with Washington and make it all the way through Buchanan. See where Jay and Sean agree and where their lists diverge. Take a listen and let us know what you think about our tiers! Remember to rate and follow Stubborn Things and stay up to date by following us on X @aei_STpodcast . Comments? Suggestions? Email us at StubbornThings@aei.org . Show notes: Jay’s biography of James Madison

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