# Return of the Tiers

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Podcast: [Stubborn Things](https://stenobird.com/podcast/stubborn-things-7595522)
Published: 2026-06-01T11:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://stubborn-things.captivate.fm
Audio file: https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/a84eb5f2-f284-4cba-835e-00bc763ce9e5.mp3
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## Resource

The last Stubborn Things episode was so popular that we couldn’t resist doing yet another presidential tiers episode. Take a listen to hear how Sean and Jay rank the first presidents of the twentieth century, from Theodore Roosevelt through Hebert Hoover. And let us know where you’d place these presidents on your own tiers! Remember to rate and follow Stubborn Things and stay up to date by following us on X @aei_STpodcast . Comments? Suggestions? Email us at StubbornThings@aei.org .

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