# Tucker Carlson Called Him a Crackpot. His Clients' Wives Sent Thank-You Notes

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Podcast: [Stronger Together with Sandpoint Strength](https://stenobird.com/podcast/stronger-together-with-sandpoint-strength-7043786)
Published: 2025-11-26T16:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://sandpoint-strength.captivate.fm
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Michael Welp has been an 8am regular at SSC for eight years. In his other life, he's spent 30 years running experiential leadership programs — most famously for white men in corporate settings — focused on listening, belonging, and what it actually takes to see the people around you. Christopher Ruffo called him a crackpot facilitator on Tucker Carlson's show. His clients' co-workers noticed they listened 33% more. Their wives sent thank-you notes. This conversation happened right before Thanksgiving, which gives it an unusually useful angle: how to have the conversations nobody wants to have, why your intent matters less than your impact, the difference between listening to fix and listening to connect, and what you might try around the dinner table this year instead of the usual surface-level gratitude round. One of the most quietly practical episodes in the library.

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