# Thunderbolts: 2 surprising twists

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Podcast: [Story Nerd](https://stenobird.com/podcast/story-nerd-5321719)
Published: 2026-04-22T13:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In a twist that no one saw coming, not even us, the villains in this movie are Val and Mel! Despite this, I thought Thunderbolts would be better. :( However, the constant characters in this movie support a protagonist with a change arc, and fill archetypal roles in the movie. In another surprising twist - switching the villain in the end of the movie has a big impact on the effectiveness of the speech in praise of the villain. This episode has more twists and and turns than the MCU - and that is saying something! -M

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