# On Unlearning Ableism with Jamie Shields and Celia Chartres-Aris | Ep. 152

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Published: 2025-12-10T05:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 3975

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How can you be proactive in your inclusivity? ... Today, Abbie, Jamie, and Celia explore disability through the lens of a communication perspective, talking about transforming exclusion into inclusion in every space, changing narratives to focus on "the problem" as an inaccessible society rather than any one disabled individual, unlearning our internalized ableism as a necessary step for all of us, becoming proactive rather than reactive in our inclusive accessibility practices, and creating ...

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