# On Exploring Systems, Perspectives, and Complexity with Christian Baron | Ep. 154

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Published: 2026-02-04T05:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Where are you able to identify opportunities to make new choices in the systems you live, work, and play within? ... Today, Abbie and Christian talk trying out practical methods for system thinking, balancing simplicity and complexity, using the 5M structure (motivate, meet, map, make, manage), and inviting playful exploration of choices with groups. ... Christian Baron, PhD, is a freelance consultant, trainer, and systemic coach. As founder of zusammen-weiterdenken, he supports ...

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