# On Design as Experimentation, Relationality, and Reciprocity with Hannah Goss, Jotte de Koning, and Sine Celik | Ep. 159

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Published: 2026-04-15T04:00:00+00:00
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Where do you see communication happening? ... Today, Abbie is joined by Hannah, Sine, and Jotte of TU Delf's Systemic Design Lab (D-SDL) to talk about life and design as playful experiments. They introduce the four core practices articulated by members of the D-SDL: Framing Complexity, Meaningful Formgiving, Building Relationships, and Nurturing Reflexivity; and discuss centering relationality, moving from extracting to reciprocity, and embracing "doing less" in design. ... Hannah Goss ...

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