# 'He Gave Me Information About Spying That Frightened The Life Out of Me!' (and inspired The New Spy)

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Podcast: [Spybrary Spy Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/spybrary-spy-podcast-1039831)
Published: 2026-03-31T15:32:00+00:00
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## Resource

Guest host Matthew Hurst sits down with author Michael Dylan to explore his debut spy thriller The New Spy . Dylan shares his unconventional journey from global advertising creative to full-time novelist, revealing how real-world research, including chilling conversations with a mysterious source known only as "Mr. Pickles" shaped the authenticity of his espionage writing. The conversation dives deep into modern intelligence warfare, particularly the concept of "chaos warfare," where the goal is not conquest but destabilisation. Dylan explains how this evolving geopolitical reality inspired the novel's themes and characters, including rookie MI5 agent Joe Batten and a brilliant but physically limited analyst working from the shadows. The episode also explores the realities of self-publishing versus traditional publishing, the creative risks of killing beloved characters, and the importance of writing stories that genuinely excite the author. It's a fascinating blend of craft, industry insight, and the unsettling truths behind modern espionage.

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