# Joe Cowley: Bulls don't need to overthink it with 4th overall pick (Hour 2)

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Podcast: [Spiegel & Holmes Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/spiegel-holmes-show-827866)
Published: 2026-05-12T04:31:47+00:00
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In the second hour, Matt Spiegel and Ryan McGuffey were joined by Sun-Times writer Joe Cowley to discuss the Bulls’ options with the No. 4 overall pick in the NBA Draft. After that, Spiegel and McGuffey discussed Cubs right-hander Ben Brown throwing four scoreless, hitless innings Friday in his first start of the 2026 season.

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