# ZeroHedge Debate Moderated by Josie, Mike Benz vs. Cenk Uygur Debate US Foreign Aid

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Podcast: [The Josie Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/spaces-x-josie-6719832)
Published: 2025-07-01T15:17:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/foreign-aid-deep-states-tentacle-control
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But is it worse than that? Not simply a wealth transfer but a lever of control, wielded by the U.S. government to make weaker nations fall in line. Soft power as they call it. Few understand it better than Mike Benz, formerly the "Deputy Assistant Secretary for International Communications and Information Policy" at the State Department. Benz believes soft power and foreign aid, managed effectively, have their place in the U.S. empire. Tonight we are bringing the reformist Benz together with foreign aid proponent Cenk Uygur and abolitionist Keith Knight (editor of Scott Horton's Libertarian Institute) to answer the question: "should we abolish foreign aid?" Hosted by Josie.

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