# Healing with Songlines: Joe Williams & Dr. (Uncle) Paul Gordon

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Published: 2026-01-15T14:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

This episode was recorded live at The Eternal Song Film Gathering in 2025.  Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo welcome Dr. (Uncle) Paul Gordon and Joe Williams, featured in the upcoming SAND Film In the Circle of Life premiering January 20, 2026. In this conversation they discuss the profound importance of connection to the land, cultural heritage, and traditional practices in achieving wellness. The conversation reveals how Indigenous wisdom can address modern societal woes and highlights the importance of respecting and maintaining a deep relationship with the natural world. Topics 00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview 00:47 Meet Uncle Paul Gordon 01:59 Language and Cultural Connections 03:01 Introducing Joe Williams 16:26 Joe Williams' Journey and Spiritual Awakening 22:07 Aboriginal Perspectives on Wellbeing and Grief 26:23 Understanding Time and Connection to Country 29:40 Ancient Knowledge and Star Stories 30:50 Connection to Country and Ancestral Wisdom 44:25 The Role of Ceremony and Responsibility 52:22 Healing Through Connection to Nature 57:55 Final Thoughts and Resources Resources In the Circle of Life The Living Country Community   Recorded live at The Eternal Song Seven Day Film Premiere summit with Indigenous voices Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

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