# 1.5M ARR, Zero (Human) Employees | Ben Cera (Polsia)

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Podcast: [Solo Founders](https://stenobird.com/podcast/solo-founders-7728246)
Published: 2026-03-03T23:23:36+00:00
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## Resource

Ben ran global teams at Travis Kalanick's Cloud Kitchens and left to build Polsia — an AI company builder — completely solo. Now he's hit $1.5M ARR in two weeks with 1,500 companies running on the platform. In this conversation, we explore how his method of building might be the future of solo founding: his 80/20 framework for AI-native companies, why he designed his product after a video game about an AI apocalypse, the Daft Punk song on his about page, and what it actually looks like to run engineering, support, marketing, and strategy with zero employees. Topics covered: The 80/20 framework for AI-native companies Scoping AI agents like real employees: trust boundaries and authority Building for yourself vs. building for imaginary customers Universal Paperclips and Daft Punk as design inspiration The Polsia product: how it builds and runs businesses autonomously Making a company 100% AI-autonomous: the thought experiment Advice for new builders: push AI to the edge Guest: Ben Cera — Solo founder of Polsia , an AI company builder. Former Global GM at Cloud Kitchens. Notes & more from this episode: https://solofounders.com/blog/80-ai-20-taste-ben-cera-on-the-future-of-solo-founding/ Apply to Solo Founders Program: https://solofounders.com/program

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