# Episode 317 - Matt Johnson

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Podcast: [Sodajerker On Songwriting](https://stenobird.com/podcast/sodajerker-on-songwriting-954213)
Published: 2026-05-14T15:19:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 3124

## Resource

The The's Matt Johnson joins Simon and Brian to discuss his new book Cognitive Dissident , the idea of "method songwriting", and the way grief and personal loss have shaped his music. Along the way, this candid conversation touches on topics like memory, identity, authenticity and new frontiers of technology.

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