# Sudden or Gradual, the Fruits Are the Same - AA Speaker - Jay S.

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Podcast: [Sober Sunrise - AA Speaker Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/sober-sunrise-aa-speaker-podcast-7161561)
Published: 2026-05-21T13:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://sober-sunrise.podbean.com/e/sudden-or-gradual-the-fruits-are-the-same-aa-speaker-jay-s/
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Duration seconds: 3834

## Resource

Jay had the kind of white-light experience AA people whisper about, then spent 20 years learning that the real test was not the vision but the fruit. ☀️ Sober Sunrise Episode ArchiveMore AA speaker tapes and recovery stories:https://sober-sunrise.com/episodes 🧡 Sober Sunrise MerchShirts, mugs, and recovery-inspired gear:https://sober-sunrise.com/merch 🌴 Sober Sunrise NewsletterWeekly AA speaker picks, recovery reflections, and updates:https://sober-sunrise.com/newsletter Jay S. digs into the idea of spiritual experience through the book that helped AA’s co-founder understand what had happened to him, the once-born and twice-born, sudden awakenings, gradual change, the Oxford Group, early AA figures, and the simple test of whether a life actually changes. The speaker traces how these ideas shaped Alcoholics Anonymous, then brings it home with his own experience of sitting in a room that seemed to disappear into white light, feeling a peace beyond words, and later realizing that the point was not having a dramatic experience but living as if it were true. Jay S. from Redondo Beach, CA speaking on the topic of "Varieties of Spiritual Experiences - James, Jung, Shoemaker & You" in Indianapolis, IN - April 26th 2008Music: Deep by KaizanBlu

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