# Tokyo Sexwale speaks out: Ramaphosa, ‘GNU’, Mkhwanazi, ANC succession, Phala Phala, Zuma, Bozell

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Podcast: [SMWX](https://stenobird.com/podcast/smwx-1002019)
Published: 2026-05-23T06:45:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 4136

## Resource

Tokyo Sexwale, who has served as SA’s Human Settlements Minister and Premier of Gauteng, joins us for a candid conversation about the state of our country — South Africa. Is South Africa a failed state and what opportunities are available to be exploited. We also unpack service delivery, President Ramaphosa’s Phala Phala scandal and the crisis of the ‘Government of National Unity’.

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