# Is the Digital Agency Model Broken, or Are We Just Calling It the Wrong Thing? With Brent Weaver | Ep #920

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Podcast: [Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies](https://stenobird.com/podcast/smart-agency-masterclass-with-jason-swenk-podcast-for-digital-marketing-agencies-391378)
Published: 2026-07-08T11:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 2049

## Resource

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