# Why Friendship Is Serious Business for Kids and Adults

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Podcast: [Shifting Schools: Conversations for K12 Educators](https://stenobird.com/podcast/shifting-schools-conversations-for-k12-educators-721439)
Published: 2026-04-06T10:03:00+00:00
Episode link: https://pod.shiftingschools.com/
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Alyson Gerber joins Tricia Friedman to talk about The Liar Society, why friendship is serious business, and what mystery stories can teach young readers and adults about belonging, trust, competition, and connection. In this conversation, Alyson shares why friendship sits at the center of her work, how middle grade fiction can help readers think more deeply about loneliness and identity, and why the best friends are the ones who cheer for your growth. They also go behind the scenes of writing a mystery series. Alyson explains how she outlines her novels, why she uses the Save the Cat beat sheet, how she thinks about first scenes, pacing, chapter length, and twists, and what it takes to build a story that keeps readers turning pages. For teachers, librarians, and student writers, this episode also includes a practical prompt for helping young people start thinking like mystery writers. This episode is a strong listen for anyone interested in middle grade books, children's literature, YA-adjacent reading culture, literacy, creative writing, mystery writing, friendship skills, belonging, and how stories help readers take themselves more seriously. Alyson also reflects on the people who encouraged her early in life, the role creativity can play in self-restoration, and why books can help readers step outside the boxes they have been placed in. In this episode: Alyson Gerber on why friendship is foundational The Liar Society and the appeal of mystery for middle grade readers Belonging, competition, and power dynamics in youth friendships The loneliness epidemic and what fiction can teach us about connection Why adults and kids are co-reading this series How Alyson Gerber plots a mystery novel Save the Cat, outlining, pacing, and suspense A simple exercise for teaching stude…

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