# Episode 17 - The Couch

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Podcast: [Shelf-Aware with Ren and Lizzy](https://stenobird.com/podcast/shelf-aware-with-ren-and-lizzy-7636323)
Published: 2026-04-27T15:28:08+00:00
Episode link: https://share.transistor.fm/s/66081336
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Duration seconds: 6343

## Resource

Ren and Lizzy move things to the couch in Episode 4 of Heated Rivalry, talking about Ilya’s way of asking questions, why Shane can’t get his bearings, and the heartbreaking “Hollander” scene. They also discuss Ilya as a train conductor. Follow us on Instagram at ShelfAwarePodcast !

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